ROB TWO-HAWKS

by ROB TWO-HAWKS
(East Palestine,Ohio)

I'm presently 18 months into adrenal fatigue so that places me within the "exhaustion" phase (..according to Dr.Lam).

Another strong indicator of that is that I'm now having "paradoxical" reactions to all herbs & supplements. In short,they are all having the reverse effect. So,I've recently had to stop all supplementation. As with most people on this site, I haven't had any luck finding either a conventional/alternative practitioner yet. Given the lack of help and the paradoxical reactions I'm at a standstill...even deeper between the proverbial "rock and a hard place."

I'll continue searching as well as maintaining the lifestyle changes,etc. that are helping to some degree. I share this in hope that someone else visiting this site may have had similar experiences with paradoxical reactions and where to go from there.

If you've found anything else that's helpful please respond. I will do the same as this progresses.
Thanks....Rob

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Dec 02, 2020
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More info... NEW
by: ROB TWO HAWKS

Leah....

I will get in touch.And,I would never expect any payment in return.We are all brothers/sisters in this mysterious condition...and we need each others'full support.

Hello to the Dreamtime Nation...Rob

Dec 02, 2020
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Thank you Rob :)
by: Leah

Hi Rob,
Thank you dearly for this insight, i really appreciate it!
Do you happen to have any further tips on what it is you do on a daily basis to heal?
From diet to daily/weekly/monthly practices?
I see an amazing psychotherapist weekly to heal trauma and undergo neurofeedback, i attend acupuncture and massage appointments fortnightly to assist with calming my nervous system, i engage in red light therapy every second day, as well as journaling, meditation and yoga, however, i am still very much struggling most days. I live in Brisbane, Australia and have found it challenging to find practitioners to assist me on my healing journey without trying to prescribe me multiple supplements that don't work.
I will start looking into the 2 people you have suggested as i am not familiar with their work. I've also never heard of the Extracellular Matrix and how to carefully detoxify it, or positive neuroplasticity. I am however, familiar with polyvagal work. If you happen to have any further advice or help or worksheets or anything that would be greatly appreciated. I am happy to pay you for it!
My email is leah.fielding@hotmail.com if you would like to discuss anything on another forum.
Thank you :)

Dec 02, 2020
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Paradoxical Reactions/ Herxheimer's.... NEW
by: ROB TWO HAWKS

Leah
....I am not having reactions now... only because I am off Everything.
Most paradoxical reactions are due to an overcongested ECM(...Extracellular Matrix).To improve that requires careful detoxification and clearing of the lymphatic system.Improperly done you risk ''Retoxification.''Beyond that....trauma healing work,positive neuroplasticity and Polyvagal work help many with complex adrenal/CFS issues.Stress management is as vital as nutrition & lifestyle intervention.I'm sure you've done considerable ''homework''...but be sure to check-out Dr.Klinghardt and Sophia Health for more in-depth info.The Best to you...

Dec 02, 2020
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Are you still having paradoxical reactions?
by: Leah

Hi,
I am very much on the same journey and trying to help myself heal. I've seen countless professionals, but very few know what to do when i keep having paradoxical reactions to everything. I would love to hear about your journey and if you have found any relief or had any luck.
Thanks,
Leah

Mar 15, 2019
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Adrenal Fatigue Recovery Group on FB NEW
by: Anonymous

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Mar 15, 2018
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Dr. Lam NEW
by: Anita

Hi Everyone! I tried Dr. Lam and he is all about money(my opinion) Program cost over 1200. Do your own research and you can heal yourself! If you can't take DHEA take magnesium. Ancient Minerals is the best. Magnesium is very healing lots of benefits with no side effects! Good luck with your journey!

Oct 02, 2017
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Update on your progress NEW
by: Anonymous

I was wondering how are you doing with adrenal fatigue? It's been a year of suffering and realized I have adrenal fatigue. I wanted to know what has helped you. My doctors assume I have CFS as their is no insurance code for AF, in other words they don't get paid.

I've been taking vitamin c, dessicated liver capsules, b12, and magnesium malate for a month and am seeing little improvements which is a plus for me because for a year there was no improvement at all. So this gives me hope.

Sep 14, 2014
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''SURRENDER''
by: ROB TWO-HAWKS

I'd almost forgotten about this site.Thanks for the more recent comments about diet & rest.I do the best I can in both areas.Meanwhile,I'm discovering that ''Surrender'' is my best medicine.I'm a slow learner there(..like most of us)but it appears that almost 3 years of adrenal fatigue now is conducive to embracing the mystery.Best of luck to you all & thanks again.
Rob

Sep 14, 2014
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Rest best medicine
by: Anonpattiymous

I am on day 3 of total rest. Just watch t v or eat or use bathroom. The astronaut s are confined 6. Days when returning to earth. Can't even go home. So I am trying it for 3-4days. Also herbs had no good reaction.

Sep 14, 2014
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Blood Type
by: Toni K

I was wondering what blood type you are. I have had AF for most of my life. I am an O blood type and, I was born from an A Type mother who was unable to eat much fat. Needless to say I was so sickly that my mother didn't know whether I would ever be able to go to school. I wasn't dealt a very good hand for health. In 2007 I finally treated my body as though I had cancer and ate beef, sautéed onions, fresh veg juice, some green beans and a handful of walnuts in the afternoon. Ten days later my insides had a jump of energy. You may want to look into doing the Blood Type Diet for a better guide of foods that would be better suited for you.

Nov 05, 2013
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been there done that
by: Anonymous

I have had adrenal failure for almost 10 years that I know of....mine shows up on the blood tests.....so it is real bad....I deal with it by diet.....no gluten, dairy, sugar, or caffeine....caffeine is a HUGE NO NO.....also no alcohol ever.....I rest multiple times during the day...laying down in bed.....I try to have lights out by 10-11 pm and sleep as late as my body wants me to.....most of my symptoms are better now....I don't have the shaking anymore.....or the startle reaction to the door bell etc.....or the heart racing too much...but if I eat sugar or gluten....then I notice a downward spiral right away...my 23 year old son now is suffering with this....he will not give up gluten and sugar so he is not getting better....he also keeps his computer on all night next to his head...which I think is really bad....you can also rub on hyrodcortisone cream that you get at the drug store.....hope that helps

Sep 04, 2013
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Update...
by: ROB TWO-HAWKS

Thanks Anonymous.
I have a call with Dr.Lam's
office on Thursday so we'll see how that goes.

Sep 03, 2013
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Holistic Doctors
by: Anonymous

Go to ACAM.ORG to find a Holistic (Naturalistic) doctor in your area to help you. Good Luck!

Aug 30, 2013
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To ''Anonymous''...
by: ROB TWO-HAWKS

Anonymous...
I am ''NOT'' seeing Dr.Lam.My reference to him was meant to imply that I've learned much more about the stages of A.F. from his site,and more recently,about ''paradoxical'' reactions.I was having these reactions for a few months(..after original good improvement) before discovering what the problem was...and Lam's site definitely cleared that up for me.I've emailed his site but haven't received a response yet...possibly a computer problem?Otherwise,on a small disability income I'm not sure I could afford that.We'll see.
Since I posted I have seen an experienced herbalist/etc.I've been on liquid herbs for almost a week and am having the same strong paradoxical reactions to these as well as difficulties with sleep.Without good sleep it's impossible to resolve A.F.so I'm suspending those as well.Things have become very complicated at this stage so it can be very frustrating.Still,it's important to hang-in.I will try to contact Dr.Lam's again to see if we can work something out.Thanks for posting and it'd be great if you could also share some of your own experience. Rob

Aug 29, 2013
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experience with dr lam
by: Anonymous

was dr lam able to help? how was your experience with dr lam? as i am kind of in same situation. thank you

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